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hey everybody welcome to blurry photos

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I'm your host David flora hey in a while

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you so let me tell you what's going down

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since July has been pretty dry I spent

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the month getting research and a script

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in order for the next episode but this

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is not it I'll be back at you next

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episode with a topic that covers some

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great stuff in history occult origins

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and a famous figure it's gonna be a big

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ol cookie but first we need some

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delicious mouth-watering dinner at alien

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Con which I'll be talking more about

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later on I had the pleasure of meeting

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Ryan Sprague Ryan is an author UFO

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journalist and host of somewhere in the

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skies podcast a show that discusses UFOs

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and current anomalous events among other

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topics you can also see him co-hosting

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the CW's Roswell mysteries decoded he is

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an awesome podcaster and an awesome

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person and he was kind enough to join me

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to talk about something I honestly

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needed help figuring out I asked him on

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to talk about the current state of

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ufology and some names and organizations

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being thrown around in current

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conversation such as Bob Lazar tts a

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tic-tacs Jeremy Corbyn etc I don't have

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my finger on the pulse of this kind of

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stuff like Ryan does and he was kind

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enough to sit down and talk to me about

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it all and explain why people are

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talking about all this stuff all of a

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sudden

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and what it all means even shares an

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encounter of his own and we discuss area

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51 and the impending doom of the storm

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that's brewing here is my interview with

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I am joined by Ryan Sprague host of

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somewhere in the skies podcast as well

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as a ton of other stuff this man is one

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of the hardest working men in UF ology

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these days and I'm lucky enough to get

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to talk to him here at Ryan why don't

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you tell our listeners a little bit

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about how you got into this field what

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it is you do and where people can find

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you because you you've been on a

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sprinkling of not only shows for

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podcasts but the television as well oh

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thanks man well it's a pleasure to be

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here I've been listening to your show

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for a a long time now and I was a little

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nervous to reach out I'm not gonna lie

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oh when you uh when you finally meet

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your heroes as it were in which I had

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the pleasure of doing at alien garden so

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dinner my pleasure but back to me no no

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I'm just I'm just a dude looking for

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answers to the UFO topic to be

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completely honest there's no like you

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know hero's journey for me I just I I

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had a UFO sighting when I was 12 years

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old and it kind of messed my life up and

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also benefited my life in terms of

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opening up my mind and I started

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educating myself ever since I was 12

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years old on the UFO topic and I'm not

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kidding at like 13 or 14 I started

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interviewing people about their UFO

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sightings and recording them so it was a

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very young start for me in this field I

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would say but I didn't really get

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involved I'd say until maybe after

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college you know life takes over school

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girls sports all that good stuff and but

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then I just I really started digging

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deep and talking to people all over the

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world about UFO conspiracies and

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cover-ups and cases and that's when I

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started writing for alternative

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magazines and open minds particularly

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the quote-unquote UFO journalism world I

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journalism but I was writing about UFOs

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and that has led me on the path I am

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today I wrote

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book in 2016 called summer in the skies

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a human approach to an alien phenomenon

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and that was my real dive into

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interviewing people and hearing their

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stories and and getting getting an idea

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of how these events impact people's

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lives you know we have times dates and

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sizes of the UFOs they saw and that's

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all good we need that we need that data

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but I wanted to know about the people

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having these experiences and that's sort

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of been my thing ever since is focusing

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on the individuals having UFO sightings

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or close encounter experiences the more

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people that come forward and talk about

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it and the more that the mainstream

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public sees that everyday people are

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experiencing these things it normalizes

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the topic it sheds that ridicule factor

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and then we can start having real

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conversations about it without getting

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laughed at so that's kind of where I'm

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at I am I've recently done a bunch of

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television work I had a one-hour special

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on the Roswell incident which was really

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fun and exciting for me I never thought

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I would get the chance to investigate

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Roswell or stepside on the actual crash

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site of whatever crashed in 1947 and I

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had the honor of doing that and that

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could sort of turned into a whole new

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beast we're now gonna go back out and

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investigate more mysteries out there

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area 51 being another one which we can

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get into a little later there's a fun

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conversations going on about area 51 but

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no man that's been my journey ever since

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with UFOs and I wanted to turn that

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obsession into into a passion and that's

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where everything spawned from there the

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podcast the book everything and I'm no

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closer to answers but I'm gonna keep

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trying I bet you're well I would think

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that you'd be a little closer just

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gaining all that information but it's

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such a complex topic yeah you're

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probably you're probably right maybe

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you're not closer yeah I mean spoiler

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alert I'm sure all your listeners are

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going to tune out right now I

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have no answers to the UFO phenomenon

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but for me it's not really about that

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it's the people I meet it's the stories

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they tell that's what keeps me going not

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like that final destination as it were

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yeah it's it's that journey along the

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way and it's so exciting because it's

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it's a community of people who have

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these interests and you're meeting new

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people every day and I've made some of

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my closest friends and colleagues

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through doing this you know lifelong

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friends so if anything I found it more

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rewarding and enriching as just a

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curious human being then trying to make

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it to the top or be that Stanton

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Friedman as it were sure it's not about

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that it really isn't you know we don't

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make a living off of researching UFOs

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trust me on that yeah not a lot of money

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in that but um no no it's fun I love

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doing it and um I do find answers every

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now and again and then those answers

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morph and change with this malleable

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phenomenon as it were so now I love love

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that's that's great to hear and I think

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it's important to point out that you do

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have that malleability in your outlook

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on stuff you know too many people come

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into things looking for the answer they

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want it to be and it it really muddies

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the water because then you're just

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you're getting confirmation by us from

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places and it's just not it's not good

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journalism it's not good science it's

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not honest you know in a way so like I

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think you do a great job especially when

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talking to people who are reticent to

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open up about this stuff they they don't

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want to be made fun of they're not sure

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what they saw or encountered and so

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therefore it's a kind of an emotional

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thing for them it's something they don't

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want to really share because you know of

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a very earned insecurity for that so I

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think you do a great job from what I was

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seeing an alien con from what I've you

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know heard and read from your works you

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do a great job of letting people relax

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make sure they know that they're in a

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safe spot

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that they can share this information and

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not get ridiculed right and discuss it

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and try and figure something out you

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know just yeah just to get some kind of

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closure or or even just therapy out of

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it in a way that is a really good point

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man I I don't think it's about me

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finding answers for them because I

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wasn't there that's kind of the thing

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I've always that's kind of my mantra

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when it comes to this whole thing is

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maybe when I was younger I would judge

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people for the stories they told my

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better that's BS or no I believe you but

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now I go by that mantra I was not there

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when this happened I cannot say that

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this happened or did not happen to you

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but if I can just be a listening ear

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that you're right it is closure for some

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people I mean you saw it alien con at

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these experience or sessions for people

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get up and talk about their experiences

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breaking down crying and shaking because

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of these emotional traumatic sometimes

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events that have happened to them and

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that's not easy to see or to sort of

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deal with I'm not a therapist I'm not a

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psychologist I'm a person who relays

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stories so I can't tell them what to do

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what to feel but if I can just be there

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to listen I was always told when I was a

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kid like I'm a listener I love just

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being in the corner of a room listening

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to people talking that might be creepy

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sometimes just this guy a guy in the

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corner listening to everyone but I think

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it's the popcorn that you're eating that

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might be it yeah yeah and that wide-eyed

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stare but no man I think it is easy that

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is when my strengths isn't listening to

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people and not casting judgment and if

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that's what I can do for them to just

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listen and kind of archive their story

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that's that's all they want sometimes

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and that's all I won ice want to hear

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stories I don't care I don't care if

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like you ever find the answer to what

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happened if that's good for you that's

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great but I just love hearing about

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these events because it solidifies for

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me that what I saw when I was 12 years

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old was unexplainable and that's okay I

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don't

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have to know what happened to me mm-hm

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and we can just keep going on and

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realizing that the world is hell of a

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lot stranger than we we first perceived

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do you would you mind sharing that

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experience with us you don't have to of

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course just to get some perspective an

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my own show people are probably sick of

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it but yeah your listeners um if it is

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new to them yeah I it's it's kind of my

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origin story it was um it was in 1995 I

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was 12 years old like I said and I was

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on a weekend getaway with my parents we

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um we had like this this camp area that

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we would stay at kind of like a motel

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situation and they had a dock right off

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the motel where you could go fishing and

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just just look at the river the st.

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Lawrence River which literally connected

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Canada and the United States and we were

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right on the border and I was fishing

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one night I was alone listening to Green

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Day on my discman

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so that was back in the mid nineties

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dookie dookie it was Dookie yep basket

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case specifically the song I was

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listening to and yeah it was starting to

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turn dark so I'm like yeah this is I'm

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not gonna I'm done I'm done for the

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night so I started you know reeling my

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line in and I noticed in the water there

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was these three white lights in the

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water well I thought they were in the

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water so I kind of bent down and looked

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and I realized Oh Ryan you're an idiot

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they're above you it's a reflection so I

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get up and I look up above me and it was

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just it was flowing there I I don't know

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what it was but it was three white

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lights in a triangular formation and

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kind of this weird orange red hazy thing

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in the middle

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it looked circular from where I was

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looking and it was just a formation of

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lights like I try to make it clear to

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people I never saw like a craft or

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machinery just these lights but I

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couldn't see anything behind it don't

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curse stars the moon nothing like that

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and was just floating there like I said

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and I didn't know what to do I gotta

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just stared up I flung my headphones off

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at that point because I was about to run

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inside but I was kind of frozen

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man it's just staring at it and I was

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trying to yell for my dad who I could

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literally see in the motel just sitting

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there he's watching a Yankees game on TV

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but I couldn't get anything out like I

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couldn't like scream for him and I just

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got frozen there and the thing was

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making no noise that was the other big

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thing that uh really stuck with me is

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nothing no sign of propulsion it was

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completely silent

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I could actually faintly hear the

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announcers on the Yankees game inside my

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motel room and finally I got like a

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little twelve-year-old squeal out and my

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dad came out and he saw the tail end of

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this formation of lights as it was

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started not floating but coasting over

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the water so right then and there I knew

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I wasn't just seeing things my dad did

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see it but at that point it was so far

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away and it kind of disappeared out of

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sight I don't know if it went in the

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water or it just disappeared off in the

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distance towards Canada but that was it

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man yeah it was weird it was scary it

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was kind of cool but at the end of the

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day it terrified me and I had nightmares

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forever after that and I didn't really

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talk about it for a long time and you

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know my dad told me it was just a plane

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doing his dad duties as it were but yeah

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yeah III just became obsessed after that

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and like I told you I I kind of tried to

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turn that obsession into like educated

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myself on the topic of UFOs like what

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are these weird things in the sky can we

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explain them and just a rabbit hole

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after that huh well that brings up quite

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a few questions for me if you don't mind

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that's corny asking a few how far away

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from you was it would you say so I I've

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definitely tried to come up with an

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answer for that but I'll be honest man I

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I there's a lot of things I remember and

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don't remember about it if I were to say

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like the size of the lights that I saw

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anywhere from like maybe 200 300 feet up

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but again like I just I have no I'm hor

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but when it comes to that sort of stuff

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oh sure and again like again memories

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fallible so yeah maybe it was that far

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up maybe it was this big but um I would

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probably say anywhere between 300 to 300

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feet up maybe memories a tough thing and

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I mean how many studies have they done

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that not only memory you know is is

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tough to to trust but also seeing

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something from a distance especially

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when it's above you or to the site like

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I remembered seeing like I don't I think

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it was a monster quest or something

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where they were talking about Mothman

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and how people it was hard for them to

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judge the height of something when it

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was even just like ten yards away so

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like yeah I wouldn't worry about just

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just ya Heaven haven't that experiences

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he's wild enough so when it took off was

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it moving fast did it these are two

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questions and one wasn't moving fast did

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it follow the river or did it kind of go

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over the treeline and stuff that's a

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really good question so it did not move

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fast at all when I first saw it it was

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just hovering like I said like floating

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above me so it was completely still

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which again I was like what what does

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that like is this a blimp is it a

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massive kite like what the hell is going

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on

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them anyway like we are now yeah yeah

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and that's another thing I never

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discount any of these conventional

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explanations what I saw easily could

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have been anything

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a blimp a conventional craft of some

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sort but the other things that really

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stuck out to me completely silent ya

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know sound of propulsion whatsoever so

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even at 12 you know I'm not an aviation

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expert but I know that planes make

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sounds even a blimp can make sense if it

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was that close but it moves so slow man

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as it coasted over the water and that

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was really eerie that it kind of did

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that I am like is it gonna

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just stay here am I in trouble should I

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um should I get out of here I don't know

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and again I just stared at it as it

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continued over the water and you bring

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up the point of the tree line so if you

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looked across the river there was

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another part of an island that was part

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of Canada and to the right of that the

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river continued deep into the Canadian

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waters as it were I when we my father

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and I watched as the thing went towards

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Canada it followed the path of the

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running water so it didn't go over the

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tree line it wasn't going towards land

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it continued on the path of the water

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which I found really interesting I feel

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like and I I may be completely wrong

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here because I haven't read much of John

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keels work I've just you know kind of

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get it tangentially when studying these

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things but like I seem to remember

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something about there being something

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similar around the Point Pleasant

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sightings where there were some there

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was some UFO activity that followed the

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river there maybe it just something

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something about that is click and you

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know one of the old files in my brain

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yeah but yeah some time and I feel like

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I've heard quite a few stories of these

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UFOs moving with the waterways and stuff

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which you know if if you go to a follow

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me on this one planet as an if as an

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extraterrestrial if you're going to a

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new planet you probably want to follow

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the rivers it's a good way to what am I

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talking about

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I don't know this a man no it's a

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logical it's a logical explanation look

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if you're if you're lost

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like as humans we know to follow the

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water and you'll eventually find land no

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here maybe they were lost or maybe they

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were looking for a certain place to land

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or get resources I don't know yeah who

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knows or it could have been a dream I

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don't know I don't know could have been

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anything

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we're mid 90s maybe stealth aircraft

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I don't know dude that's another thing

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like yeah there's speculation there's no

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wind to it you know when you start

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because that's sometimes all we're left

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with but it's a it's a really

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fascinating story and I can imagine it's

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it was pretty traumatic so good for you

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for wanting to like turn around and face

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it and you know get to the heart of it

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if you can you know at least talking

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about it is is got to be sort of

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therapeutic for that so good on you for

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that thank you I wanted to talk with you

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a little bit in this episode about a lot

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of stuff that has come out lately in the

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news and this is there may be a little

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time dilation with the podcast from you

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know when I release this episode but as

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of right now we're kind of we kind of

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have hit a peak and maybe crossed it on

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talking about things like there's a

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quite a few things like disclosure

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that's that's coming out that's been hot

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lately there's been stuff on TTS a which

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is to the Stars Academy and fella by the

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name of Bob Lazar

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Jeremy corbels name has been thrown at

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their lives and tic-tac UFOs things like

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these are all kind of like hot topics

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that have come up lately and I I

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personally have been living under a rock

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because I prefer the the cool shady part

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you know out of Earth's Yellow Sun but I

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haven't been as tapped into this stuff

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as a lot of people are and I know that

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you have heard quite a bit about it

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you've you've got your finger on the

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pulse of that kind of stuff so I thought

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maybe we could bring you in to discuss

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this

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for me and mostly for listeners who

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might also be like you know what I've

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heard of Bob Lazar I've heard that you

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know stuff has come out in the news

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lately that's very interesting and you

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know it's shaken things up but I don't

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know exactly what's going on with that

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so I was hoping maybe you could discuss

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these things with me and give everybody

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kind of a rundown of what the what all

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this stuff means yeah how would you what

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do you think of all this stuff doesn't

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it seem like there's been kind of a bump

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in a

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the the the pop culture of this stuff

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and a lot of things getting shared and

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discussed more than usual or is that

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just me no you you're not wrong you know

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man I mean there's been this this is

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kind of a new era of UFO discourse in my

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personal opinion we learned that back in

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2017 the New York Times broke this like

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major story that even most of us in the

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UFO field had no idea about of a secret

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Pentagon UFO program that had been

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investigating UFOs now we all thought

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and even the public thought that that

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all ended back in the early 1960s with

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Project Blue Book this government funded

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UFO investigation program and we were

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told you know this is it we're done

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doing this we're done funding this we

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find no national security threat with

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these quote-unquote UFOs everyone move

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on with your lives so for the longest

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time we're all like okay um well what

538
00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:43,469
believe some of that but there's

539
00:23:47,449 --> 00:23:45,089
probably something going on and then as

540
00:23:49,249 --> 00:23:47,459
the years went on and on I think a lot

541
00:23:50,779 --> 00:23:49,259
of people got really jaded and they're

542
00:23:54,739 --> 00:23:50,789
like yeah government's no longer

543
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:54,749
interested and then in 2017 we did learn

544
00:24:00,049 --> 00:23:56,820
that there was a 22 million dollar

545
00:24:03,919 --> 00:24:00,059
project in complete secret funded by the

546
00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:03,929
the Defense Intelligence Agency called a

547
00:24:08,989 --> 00:24:06,089
tip the advanced aerial threat

548
00:24:12,289 --> 00:24:08,999
identification program or aerospace

549
00:24:14,719 --> 00:24:12,299
program it changes every other day in

550
00:24:17,509 --> 00:24:14,729
terms of what it was called but um yeah

551
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,519
this is funded by Senator Harry Reid one

552
00:24:22,489 --> 00:24:19,919
of our senators right he was interested

553
00:24:24,739 --> 00:24:22,499
in UFOs and he wanted to get to the

554
00:24:27,259 --> 00:24:24,749
bottom of it so he got funding for this

555
00:24:29,299 --> 00:24:27,269
thing 22 million dollars which you know

556
00:24:31,299 --> 00:24:29,309
is just a nickel in the Hat when it

557
00:24:33,499 --> 00:24:31,309
comes to government funding but on

558
00:24:34,969 --> 00:24:33,509
putting the word threat in your program

559
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:34,979
that's a good way to get some funding

560
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:36,450
for sure from the Defense Intelligence

561
00:24:42,589 --> 00:24:40,440
Agency so on that story broke it made

562
00:24:43,940 --> 00:24:42,599
major headlines all over the world and

563
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:43,950
then we started to hear about these

564
00:24:49,980 --> 00:24:46,440
really interesting military UFO

565
00:24:52,860 --> 00:24:49,990
sightings that had been happening and we

566
00:24:55,950 --> 00:24:52,870
video of them some really interesting

567
00:24:59,580 --> 00:24:55,960
videos nonetheless and one of them you

568
00:25:02,250 --> 00:24:59,590
said was the tic-tac UFO have you heard

569
00:25:05,130 --> 00:25:02,260
anything about this one man just that

570
00:25:08,010 --> 00:25:05,140
the name implies the shape the name is

571
00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:08,020
named after the the candy meant thing

572
00:25:14,430 --> 00:25:11,830
and beyond that I think maybe that it

573
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:14,440
you know it defies kind of the physics

574
00:25:21,660 --> 00:25:18,610
that we know coat unquote no is this the

575
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:21,670
same thing that is on that that jet

576
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:24,610
pilot video that right but that was

577
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:26,530
going around right yes so there's three

578
00:25:30,450 --> 00:25:28,450
separate videos there's one called the

579
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,460
tic-tac UFO there's one called the

580
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:32,640
gimble UFO and there's one called the

581
00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:35,710
go-fast and it's really easy for

582
00:25:42,299 --> 00:25:39,070
mainstream media sites to mix the three

583
00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:42,309
together but they are three separate

584
00:25:46,650 --> 00:25:43,990
events that happened over the span of I

585
00:25:48,750 --> 00:25:46,660
believe maybe a decade or so but the one

586
00:25:53,130 --> 00:25:48,760
that's really out there is the tic-tac

587
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:53,140
UFO because we have a lot of actual Navy

588
00:25:57,630 --> 00:25:55,210
pilots who are involved with this thing

589
00:26:00,000 --> 00:25:57,640
come forward and give their testimony of

590
00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:00,010
originally we only had the video which

591
00:26:07,710 --> 00:26:03,990
is very short and shows a tic-tac shaped

592
00:26:11,340 --> 00:26:07,720
object making pretty interesting

593
00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:11,350
maneuvers in the sky and slowly we begin

594
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:13,510
to realize that it was connected to the

595
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:16,450
testimony of a lot of these people that

596
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:19,210
were involved the first person involved

597
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:20,410
was a man who I've interviewed

598
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:23,110
extensively named Kevin day he was a

599
00:26:30,540 --> 00:26:25,929
senior radar operator at the time of

600
00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:30,550
this event and he saw on his radar like

601
00:26:35,790 --> 00:26:34,270
ten objects on his radar that were not

602
00:26:38,610 --> 00:26:35,800
supposed to be in the airspace they were

603
00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:38,620
in and they is kind of like a fleet so

604
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:40,750
he he ends up reporting this and he

605
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:43,450
tells the pilots like we got to

606
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,770
intercept these things you got to figure

607
00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:46,240
out what they are they are in our

608
00:26:51,630 --> 00:26:49,660
training airspace so they actually send

609
00:26:55,650 --> 00:26:51,640
up fighter jets to intercept these

610
00:26:58,110 --> 00:26:55,660
things and they were not able to lock in

611
00:27:00,860 --> 00:26:58,120
on them they saw the what they say were

612
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:00,870
these tic tacs shaped objects that were

613
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:03,610
reacting to their movements

614
00:27:08,340 --> 00:27:05,410
ummm at times like there was an

615
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:08,350
intelligent control behind them going

616
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:10,980
into the water coming back up to

617
00:27:17,070 --> 00:27:14,290
immeasurable distances at immeasurable

618
00:27:18,660 --> 00:27:17,080
speeds and then disappearing so I mean

619
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:18,670
the pilots are saying there's no way

620
00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:20,890
there's a pilot in there they would die

621
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:22,630
immediately making the maneuvers that

622
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:26,080
they did right so the gun camera footage

623
00:27:31,049 --> 00:27:28,450
from one of these Navy pilots is what we

624
00:27:33,539 --> 00:27:31,059
now have and it's it's astounding to be

625
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,549
completely honest and ever since then

626
00:27:38,730 --> 00:27:36,880
it's just been unraveling huh were there

627
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:38,740
multiple pilots

628
00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:41,679
that that witnessed them and was there

629
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:44,950
only one video taken for this particular

630
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:46,809
event that took attack UFO event there

631
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:50,080
is what as far as we know only one video

632
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,110
taken but there are several pilots who

633
00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:56,080
have come forward and say yes we did see

634
00:28:01,049 --> 00:27:58,270
these objects yes they did make these

635
00:28:03,659 --> 00:28:01,059
maneuvers there's one pilot in

636
00:28:06,659 --> 00:28:03,669
particular a female pilot who was the

637
00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:06,669
wingman of the main pilot who has come

638
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:08,380
forward this is getting convoluted I

639
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:11,410
apologize sorry that's why we're talking

640
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,730
about exactly

641
00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:15,520
exactly again if your listeners Google

642
00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:17,380
tick-tack UFO it's going to give them a

643
00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:20,230
point-by-point person-by-person play of

644
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:23,380
all of this but in essence there were

645
00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:25,570
multiple pilots who witnessed this who

646
00:28:30,990 --> 00:28:28,660
have come forward and solidify what

647
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:31,000
we're seeing in these videos so it's

648
00:28:34,770 --> 00:28:32,710
really really interesting the other

649
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:34,780
interesting thing is that these videos

650
00:28:39,539 --> 00:28:36,910
were Declassified and given to the

651
00:28:42,450 --> 00:28:39,549
public so we have to wonder why why now

652
00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:42,460
why all of a sudden is the government

653
00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:44,200
allowing us to see these videos that

654
00:28:49,049 --> 00:28:47,260
they've held secret for so long I don't

655
00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:49,059
know I don't pretend to have an answer

656
00:28:54,030 --> 00:28:51,340
for that but um I will take what I can

657
00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:54,040
get and because we do not get this often

658
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:55,150
yeah for sure

659
00:29:01,380 --> 00:28:59,440
now a tip was that established before or

660
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:01,390
after these supposed sightings

661
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:06,250
I believe that a tip was between the

662
00:29:13,470 --> 00:29:09,250
years that these things happened I mean

663
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:13,480
we're looking at around 2012 I think is

664
00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:14,930
when the

665
00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:17,900
project and did a tip ended so actually

666
00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:20,260
a lot of these events happened either

667
00:29:26,250 --> 00:29:24,560
before or during the project and the

668
00:29:30,010 --> 00:29:26,260
project was headed by a guy named Luis

669
00:29:32,380 --> 00:29:30,020
Elizondo and he is now the man that we

670
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:32,390
all know is working for to the Stars

671
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:36,710
Academy TT si which is connected to a

672
00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:39,830
tip in terms of he headed a tip now he's

673
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:41,750
working his own project which to the

674
00:29:46,930 --> 00:29:43,910
Stars Academy to continue investigating

675
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:46,940
these things he left he left a tip

676
00:29:51,010 --> 00:29:49,310
because he was sick of the secrecy going

677
00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:51,020
on he thought these things should be

678
00:29:54,730 --> 00:29:53,270
given to the public they were funding

679
00:29:56,980 --> 00:29:54,740
the program these are black budget

680
00:29:59,050 --> 00:29:56,990
programs that we taxpayers are paying

681
00:30:01,480 --> 00:29:59,060
for and he said we gotta let people know

682
00:30:03,130 --> 00:30:01,490
what's going on yes of course there has

683
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,140
to be classification and there's a

684
00:30:06,190 --> 00:30:04,640
reason some of these things are kept

685
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:06,200
from the public for national security

686
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:10,130
purposes but at the same time he he knew

687
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:12,110
that these events were happening to

688
00:30:17,230 --> 00:30:14,210
people all over the world and we gotta

689
00:30:18,730 --> 00:30:17,240
look at it as as human beings and as

690
00:30:20,890 --> 00:30:18,740
civilians rather than just a

691
00:30:23,950 --> 00:30:20,900
governmental body yeah well that's a

692
00:30:26,050 --> 00:30:23,960
good segue into talking about to the

693
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:26,060
stars Academy with where did that name

694
00:30:31,270 --> 00:30:29,360
come from is it is is he like taking

695
00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:31,280
tuition from people who disturb

696
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:33,830
Milwaukee Academy part really mystifies

697
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:36,530
me at this point man but when it comes

698
00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:39,770
to to the stars this was a a media

699
00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:41,900
company created by Tom DeLonge the

700
00:30:48,130 --> 00:30:45,470
former frontman of liquid 82 mm-hmm and

701
00:30:50,050 --> 00:30:48,140
he had to the stars going on for a while

702
00:30:53,290 --> 00:30:50,060
you know they covered tech they covered

703
00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:53,300
aliens they covered cryptids it is a

704
00:30:57,580 --> 00:30:55,220
really cool project you know he'd always

705
00:30:59,650 --> 00:30:57,590
been really interested in in UFOs

706
00:31:02,380 --> 00:30:59,660
particularly but just the strange world

707
00:31:06,790 --> 00:31:02,390
we live in and he started this to the

708
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:06,800
stars company when it came time to to

709
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:09,290
get involved with this new thing this

710
00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:12,170
new venture to the stars Academy DeLonge

711
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:15,800
head somehow and we're still learning

712
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:18,530
about how all this happened he somehow

713
00:31:25,270 --> 00:31:21,130
got his way into all these different

714
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:25,280
intelligence agencies and former workers

715
00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:27,530
of stunk works the people who worked at

716
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:28,830
area 51

717
00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:33,130
Lockheed Martin and he was able to get

718
00:31:39,330 --> 00:31:36,190
information on what they knew about UFOs

719
00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:39,340
or what they proposed to know about what

720
00:31:43,530 --> 00:31:41,860
was going on and it blew his mind and

721
00:31:46,350 --> 00:31:43,540
that's when he started to the stars

722
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:46,360
Academy and got all these former and

723
00:31:52,380 --> 00:31:49,210
some still working for intelligence

724
00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:52,390
agency officers to join him so it's a

725
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,470
huge murky weird thing going on I'm not

726
00:32:02,100 --> 00:31:58,720
gonna lie to the stars Academy a lot of

727
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:02,110
people are very hesitant to follow their

728
00:32:07,710 --> 00:32:04,510
work because of all these former CIA

729
00:32:09,540 --> 00:32:07,720
people or you know secret projects

730
00:32:12,030 --> 00:32:09,550
people that are working with Tom DeLonge

731
00:32:14,430 --> 00:32:12,040
I'm trying to find answers to the UFO

732
00:32:16,850 --> 00:32:14,440
phenomenon we've been burned in the past

733
00:32:19,940 --> 00:32:16,860
when it came to similar things where

734
00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:19,950
disinformation agent says they were were

735
00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:23,280
pumping the UFO community and Beyond

736
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:26,980
false information about UFOs just a

737
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,130
muddy the waters even more so in and

738
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:31,840
that's proven that's documented this

739
00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:33,910
isn't some conspiracy theory I'm making

740
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:37,060
up here right so it's a very

741
00:32:41,070 --> 00:32:39,130
controversial thing to the Stars Academy

742
00:32:42,690 --> 00:32:41,080
but at the end of the day they're

743
00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:42,700
getting the UFO topic out to the

744
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:46,390
mainstream and until they burn us all I

745
00:32:51,860 --> 00:32:48,310
hope that doesn't happen I'm gonna keep

746
00:32:55,290 --> 00:32:51,870
following them yeah so it seems to me

747
00:32:57,270 --> 00:32:55,300
maybe I'm conflating a couple of things

748
00:33:01,260 --> 00:32:57,280
it seems to me like a lot of people are

749
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:01,270
getting very worked up or angry or like

750
00:33:06,030 --> 00:33:02,770
there's a lot of fighting that has

751
00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:06,040
started happening and to the Stars is

752
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,160
from what I see from the way way outside

753
00:33:14,130 --> 00:33:10,960
it just seems like that's at the center

754
00:33:16,350 --> 00:33:14,140
of things and maybe like I said it's

755
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:16,360
it's something else that's going on in

756
00:33:20,430 --> 00:33:18,010
the in the news these days that I'm

757
00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:20,440
thinking of but what is the infighting

758
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:23,590
about is it just people that are worried

759
00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:25,810
about the misinformation that it's

760
00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:27,160
coming out of this or do they think that

761
00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:32,590
yeah Elizondo or DeLonge are just cuckoo

762
00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:35,380
or like not doing a good job like what

763
00:33:40,350 --> 00:33:37,750
is this fighting yeah going on well I

764
00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:40,360
mean with any sort of I guess

765
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:43,630
you know subculture or community beyond

766
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:46,330
UFO community there's always in funny

767
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,250
there always will be I mean no matter

768
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:50,799
what you belong to clubs whatever

769
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:52,529
there's infighting and it's always

770
00:33:58,289 --> 00:33:55,690
happened with the UFO community and that

771
00:34:00,539 --> 00:33:58,299
is for one simple reason none of us know

772
00:34:02,639 --> 00:34:00,549
what the hell is going on yeah so people

773
00:34:04,590 --> 00:34:02,649
are gonna be very passionate about their

774
00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:04,600
theory is their thoughts their opinions

775
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:07,390
and when it comes to this whole thing to

776
00:34:14,369 --> 00:34:09,970
the Stars Academy here's where I see the

777
00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:14,379
problem we have a sort of poster child

778
00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:17,950
now for ufology in Tom DeLonge he is the

779
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:20,980
face of ufology this self-proclaimed

780
00:34:26,010 --> 00:34:22,980
field that we've created on studying

781
00:34:27,810 --> 00:34:26,020
UFOs and that is a problem for a lot of

782
00:34:29,730 --> 00:34:27,820
people who have dedicated decades and

783
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:29,740
decades of their lives of researching

784
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:31,990
this just to have some rock star come

785
00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:34,450
along and say I'm now the voice for the

786
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:36,700
UFO community I know the voice of what

787
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:40,000
UFOs are and aren't and follow me on

788
00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:43,450
that journey now that is a problem

789
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,270
I get it so a lot of these older guard

790
00:34:50,700 --> 00:34:49,359
of ufology who have seen this sort of

791
00:34:52,770 --> 00:34:50,710
thing happened before where someone

792
00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:52,780
comes horde and says I'm gonna find the

793
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:55,300
answers to this and everyone should join

794
00:34:59,460 --> 00:34:55,839
me

795
00:35:01,650 --> 00:34:59,470
I see the hesitancy to see this sort of

796
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:01,660
repeating itself with Tom DeLonge and

797
00:35:04,349 --> 00:35:03,730
these people that were connected to

798
00:35:06,810 --> 00:35:04,359
government

799
00:35:09,329 --> 00:35:06,820
nicely on the flip side of it you have a

800
00:35:13,410 --> 00:35:09,339
lot of younger people who Tom DeLonge

801
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,420
appeals to and who is energetic is cool

802
00:35:19,710 --> 00:35:16,000
is like you know stylish when it comes

803
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:19,720
to all this stuff he attracts those kind

804
00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:21,970
of people so you have that other side of

805
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:24,430
the UFO community the younger people who

806
00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:26,410
are like gonna follow him to the ends of

807
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:28,030
the earth and be like I believe whatever

808
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:31,210
you say so it's hard man what I'm seeing

809
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:33,910
is an age gap that's the big divisive

810
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,720
nasaw

811
00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:36,880
the the older people have seen this

812
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:39,430
happen before and they're they're trying

813
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,410
to warn us of where it's headed the

814
00:35:46,109 --> 00:35:43,839
younger people are saying this is our

815
00:35:47,849 --> 00:35:46,119
first time ever having this topic taken

816
00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:47,859
seriously in the mainstream so we're

817
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:49,540
gonna see where it goes and I'm

818
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,910
somewhere in the middle I I'm hesitant

819
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:52,800
but I'm

820
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:56,490
so very excited to see where it's where

821
00:36:01,490 --> 00:35:58,680
it's all heading because I'll be honest

822
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:01,500
to the stars Academy has got this topic

823
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:03,510
more coverage than I've ever seen before

824
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:06,450
when you have articles coming out on a

825
00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:08,910
monthly basis now from the New York

826
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,820
Times or The Washington Post about UFOs

827
00:36:16,850 --> 00:36:13,920
and it's serious there's no more

828
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:16,860
ridicule in these articles that's very

829
00:36:21,860 --> 00:36:18,690
important especially for someone like me

830
00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:21,870
who writes about UFOs you know now my

831
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:23,940
articles are being taken seriously

832
00:36:30,860 --> 00:36:26,700
they're not being shared for laughs so

833
00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:30,870
it's divisive it's it's interesting it's

834
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:33,240
controversial but it's it's making us

835
00:36:36,860 --> 00:36:34,950
all passionate and we haven't had that

836
00:36:40,790 --> 00:36:36,870
in the UFO field for a really long time

837
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:40,800
everyone was just so down and down in

838
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:42,540
the dirt because nothing was happening

839
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:44,820
so god forbid some would come along and

840
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:47,220
inject new blood and that kind Tom

841
00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:49,530
DeLonge has done that and yeah whether

842
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:51,840
you like him or not he's he's making a

843
00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:53,640
lot of headway he's moving that needle

844
00:36:59,180 --> 00:36:55,950
and I'm just excited to see where that

845
00:37:01,780 --> 00:36:59,190
goes so let's save in all this stuff

846
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:01,790
that's coming out it's true there are

847
00:37:08,090 --> 00:37:05,610
things that are the government has no

848
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,100
idea how they got here what they are

849
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:10,800
what's going on they're pretty sure it's

850
00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:13,140
not like Russian tech you know or

851
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:15,630
Chinese drones or you know other

852
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:19,080
military tech which I wouldn't put it

853
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,570
very far past that but let's say it is

854
00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:23,280
it is something that the government's

855
00:37:28,940 --> 00:37:25,590
just like this is happening what's the

856
00:37:32,060 --> 00:37:28,950
next step do you think for both the

857
00:37:35,090 --> 00:37:32,070
government and us lay people who are

858
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:35,100
just kind of waiting to see what happens

859
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:36,540
with this what do you think what do you

860
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:38,700
think the next step is that is a really

861
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:40,770
good question I the next step for me I

862
00:37:46,270 --> 00:37:43,890
think is is confirmation we have a

863
00:37:48,860 --> 00:37:46,280
knowledge meant by our government

864
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:48,870
officially that UFOs exists that that's

865
00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:52,560
no longer questioned UFOs are real now

866
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:55,320
it's a question of what they are who's

867
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:57,690
in control of them and why they're here

868
00:38:01,610 --> 00:37:58,920
or why they're doing what they're doing

869
00:38:03,770 --> 00:38:01,620
and I think that's a lot of what to the

870
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:03,780
Stars Academy is doing and I think

871
00:38:07,170 --> 00:38:05,530
that's a lot of what the U

872
00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:07,180
community is trying to figure out as

873
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:10,390
well as who is in control of these UFOs

874
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:12,790
why are they doing these things if we

875
00:38:19,350 --> 00:38:16,240
can take any close encounters or let's

876
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:19,360
even say alien abduction cases if we can

877
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:23,110
take those seriously why are they doing

878
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:26,230
that and that's a big if a big big if

879
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:28,510
when it comes to all that stuff when it

880
00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:30,010
comes to this what we're dealing with

881
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:32,620
right now in the UFO discourse is not

882
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:35,200
connecting it directly to aliens that's

883
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,690
the biggest problem in herda we have is

884
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:40,240
the extra-terrestrial hypothesis that

885
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:43,450
UFOs are extraterrestrial we do not know

886
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:45,610
that we don't know that and I don't

887
00:38:49,590 --> 00:38:47,710
think the government does either we give

888
00:38:51,210 --> 00:38:49,600
them way too much credit man I'm gonna

889
00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:51,220
be honest we give them way too much

890
00:38:55,290 --> 00:38:53,860
credit of what UFOs are I don't think

891
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:55,300
they have any idea what they're dealing

892
00:38:59,790 --> 00:38:57,970
with yeah so for me I think that next

893
00:39:02,280 --> 00:38:59,800
step comes with they've acknowledged

894
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:02,290
UFOs are real and our pilots and

895
00:39:08,250 --> 00:39:06,070
military are seeing them and interacting

896
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:08,260
with them in some ways so let's get

897
00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:10,270
congressional hearings about what's that

898
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:12,700
next step and that's kind of what we're

899
00:39:18,270 --> 00:39:15,850
seeing we're seeing these pilots talking

900
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:18,280
to senators going to Congress and saying

901
00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:20,710
this is what happened to me I felt

902
00:39:26,250 --> 00:39:23,830
threatened I don't think it was us or a

903
00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:26,260
rival country I don't know what it is

904
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:29,020
but we have to look at it and they're

905
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:31,090
moving that needle the Navy now has a

906
00:39:37,470 --> 00:39:34,450
new UFO protocol reporting thing yes

907
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:37,480
like if they see stuff it's now taken

908
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:39,550
seriously and there's a point-by-point

909
00:39:45,630 --> 00:39:43,900
way to report it so it's really really

910
00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:45,640
fascinating to see where this is all

911
00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:47,800
heading in terms of our government

912
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:50,380
acknowledging it and what is that next

913
00:39:54,090 --> 00:39:52,030
step I don't think they know I don't

914
00:39:56,430 --> 00:39:54,100
think we know but let's work on that

915
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:56,440
together the government works for the

916
00:40:00,990 --> 00:39:58,690
people so let us be involved with that

917
00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:01,000
interesting do you think there's any

918
00:40:08,190 --> 00:40:04,900
possibility that stuff like this could

919
00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:08,200
be things that the u.s. is working on

920
00:40:14,940 --> 00:40:11,620
that is so compartmentalized that the

921
00:40:17,550 --> 00:40:14,950
rest of the government military doesn't

922
00:40:19,170 --> 00:40:17,560
even know and so they could be seeing

923
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:19,180
something that is

924
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:21,910
something friendly that's out testing or

925
00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:23,710
something they just don't even know

926
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:26,950
because it's so secretive and black you

927
00:40:30,570 --> 00:40:29,050
know in the black book kind of thing

928
00:40:34,050 --> 00:40:30,580
that they're working on yeah there any

929
00:40:37,290 --> 00:40:34,060
possibility of that absolutely i i 100%

930
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:37,300
think that could be very possible it is

931
00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:40,240
a case-to-case basis i I asked the

932
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,700
senior radar operator of that tick-tock

933
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:45,040
UFO event the same question like could

934
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:47,110
this here's the interesting thing after

935
00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:50,040
that event happened this was a navy

936
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:52,660
training exercise that was going on when

937
00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:55,930
this UFO appeared and after it happened

938
00:41:00,380 --> 00:40:57,790
and after these videos were taken and

939
00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:00,390
the logs of the radar were recorded

940
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:03,460
members of the US Air Force showed up

941
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:05,350
and took the logs from the radar

942
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:09,910
operators so why in the hell was the Air

943
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,390
Force now in control of what was being

944
00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:16,000
done by the Navy I can't pretend to have

945
00:41:21,630 --> 00:41:19,060
an answer for that but I asked the guys

946
00:41:23,610 --> 00:41:21,640
point-blank do you think this could have

947
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:23,620
been some sort of black budget secret

948
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:25,930
experiment by the Air Force in the

949
00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:27,910
training space of the Navy and the Navy

950
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:30,100
just wasn't privy to what it was and he

951
00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:32,410
told me no there's absolutely no way

952
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:33,940
another branch of the military would

953
00:41:39,090 --> 00:41:36,400
take that risk of putting something in

954
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:39,100
our area so pilots could have been

955
00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:39,850
killed

956
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:42,430
weapons could have been you know

957
00:41:48,570 --> 00:41:44,770
implemented we could have caused like a

958
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,580
massive destruction or anything we could

959
00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:50,800
have started a war if as it were even if

960
00:41:54,260 --> 00:41:52,180
it was a rival country that had

961
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:54,270
top-secret experiments in our airspace

962
00:41:59,820 --> 00:41:57,010
so you do have to wonder when even the

963
00:42:02,400 --> 00:41:59,830
Navy pilots involved say no no this

964
00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:02,410
wasn't a top-secret project it was

965
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:05,800
something that is completely defies

966
00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:08,050
every conventional way an aircraft can

967
00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:10,660
maneuver I don't know yeah so do I think

968
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,700
it could be a black budget project maybe

969
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:15,280
some of them but definitely not all of

970
00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:17,890
them yeah yeah I that's that's kind of

971
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:19,870
the mantra for all of these sightings I

972
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:22,720
guess yes could be this might might be

973
00:42:31,890 --> 00:42:27,550
that I wonder too how much I know that

974
00:42:32,730 --> 00:42:31,900
there's big money in contracts too you

975
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:32,740
know

976
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:35,770
to test military stuff to get new

977
00:42:41,070 --> 00:42:39,010
equipment new weapons all all that stuff

978
00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:41,080
I know there's all kinds of that going

979
00:42:48,210 --> 00:42:44,550
on I just wonder like to that end if

980
00:42:50,430 --> 00:42:48,220
someone maybe is testing something new

981
00:42:53,609 --> 00:42:50,440
developing something maybe they're not

982
00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:53,619
affiliated with the military at that

983
00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:56,230
point you know maybe it's a private firm

984
00:43:02,760 --> 00:42:59,290
doing it and and then they don't care if

985
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:02,770
you know they put lives in danger or if

986
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:05,920
they cross into some kind of territory

987
00:43:10,650 --> 00:43:08,170
that they you know maybe they even look

988
00:43:13,050 --> 00:43:10,660
for that to test to see how well their

989
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,060
stuff is but then again this is all

990
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:15,760
getting way in the deep end of

991
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,490
speculation for this kind of stuff so we

992
00:43:23,370 --> 00:43:21,520
could you know spend 10 hours doing this

993
00:43:28,349 --> 00:43:23,380
right now which I know you don't have

994
00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:28,359
the time for so I don't think it's as

995
00:43:32,430 --> 00:43:30,070
silly as you make it out to be man I

996
00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:32,440
mean we have we have these theories on

997
00:43:37,339 --> 00:43:34,660
these breakaway civilizations you know

998
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:37,349
this sort of secret group with access to

999
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,960
radically advanced technology science

1000
00:43:45,540 --> 00:43:43,359
even radically advanced science that no

1001
00:43:47,070 --> 00:43:45,550
one else knows about that they're not

1002
00:43:49,470 --> 00:43:47,080
sharing with the rest of the world even

1003
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:49,480
like you said the military and you know

1004
00:43:53,070 --> 00:43:51,430
one breakthrough leads to another it

1005
00:43:54,540 --> 00:43:53,080
leads to another and the next thing you

1006
00:43:57,150 --> 00:43:54,550
know you've got a separate group of

1007
00:43:59,400 --> 00:43:57,160
humanity that is like beyond the rest of

1008
00:44:02,310 --> 00:43:59,410
the world yeah and that does sound

1009
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,320
really out there and speculative but we

1010
00:44:06,930 --> 00:44:04,480
can't discount that either when I if

1011
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:06,940
there's anything I've learned it's a

1012
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:10,510
conspiracy until it comes true that's

1013
00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:13,089
true yeah yeah so tell me a little bit

1014
00:44:20,609 --> 00:44:17,500
about old Bob Lazar his name has been in

1015
00:44:22,770 --> 00:44:20,619
the news just as much as this other

1016
00:44:26,250 --> 00:44:22,780
stuff if not more lately what is going

1017
00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:26,260
on with Bob Lazar that everybody's got

1018
00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:29,560
such a kerfuffle about yeah so the 80s

1019
00:44:36,450 --> 00:44:32,500
are making a comeback man for sure I

1020
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:36,460
mean I've been waiting so long I've you

1021
00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:38,530
look at all this vaporwave stuff

1022
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:42,670
everywhere and stranger things just like

1023
00:44:47,549 --> 00:44:43,930
I

1024
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:47,559
lots of pink what Cindy on P yeah last

1025
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,900
year I saw Rick Ashley in concert and

1026
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:51,760
that thing was sold out two nights in a

1027
00:44:57,630 --> 00:44:55,119
row I don't know I don't know my gosh

1028
00:45:00,000 --> 00:44:57,640
everything comes back and when it comes

1029
00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:00,010
to Bob Lazar it's it's a fascinating

1030
00:45:05,730 --> 00:45:03,460
part of pop culture I mean back in the

1031
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:05,740
80s this guy said he worked at area 51

1032
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:07,740
and he reverse engineered alien

1033
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:12,609
technology to propel flying saucers he

1034
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:15,010
is the reason whether people believe him

1035
00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:18,010
or not that we know about area 51 he was

1036
00:45:22,349 --> 00:45:19,990
interviewed by George Knapp the

1037
00:45:25,769 --> 00:45:22,359
investigative journalist they broke this

1038
00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:25,779
story back in the 80s and that's why we

1039
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:29,279
know about area 51 and we know about

1040
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:33,369
possible government work on UFOs so it's

1041
00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:35,890
really fascinating the reason I think

1042
00:45:41,069 --> 00:45:38,740
it's making a comeback now is because of

1043
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:41,079
a documentary that came out by a

1044
00:45:46,620 --> 00:45:43,210
filmmaker by the name of Jeremy Korbel

1045
00:45:50,670 --> 00:45:46,630
who caught up with Bob some 30 years

1046
00:45:52,349 --> 00:45:50,680
later to see where he stands now on all

1047
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:52,359
the claims that he made back then and

1048
00:45:57,029 --> 00:45:54,910
where he stands now on this and a lot of

1049
00:45:59,250 --> 00:45:57,039
people they completely discount bob

1050
00:46:01,789 --> 00:45:59,260
lazar story they don't think he ever

1051
00:46:05,579 --> 00:46:01,799
worked there they think it's all a big

1052
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:05,589
fabrication or disinformation and I will

1053
00:46:10,769 --> 00:46:07,569
be honest for the longest time I thought

1054
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:10,779
that - I was like it's a cool story but

1055
00:46:17,250 --> 00:46:12,609
I don't I don't really know what to make

1056
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:17,260
of it this film I can't say that it

1057
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:19,510
convinced me that everything Bob Lazar

1058
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:22,529
says is true but it convinced me that he

1059
00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:27,609
says how can I put this he believes

1060
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:29,020
himself there we go

1061
00:46:34,740 --> 00:46:32,049
yesthank he believes himself and I do

1062
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:34,750
believe that he says he worked on what

1063
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:36,910
he says he worked on whether or not that

1064
00:46:42,779 --> 00:46:40,450
was actual alien technology is not to

1065
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:42,789
say but I came away from that

1066
00:46:47,819 --> 00:46:45,609
documentary being like huh I actually

1067
00:46:51,210 --> 00:46:47,829
think this dude worked at some weird

1068
00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:51,220
place in Nevada as far as he calls it

1069
00:46:57,580 --> 00:46:54,940
right outside of area 51 on very exotic

1070
00:46:59,560 --> 00:46:57,590
technology I do believe that

1071
00:47:03,160 --> 00:46:59,570
um a lot of people discount him because

1072
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:03,170
of his lying about his education or not

1073
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:05,090
knowing the physics behind what he

1074
00:47:11,650 --> 00:47:07,690
actually was working on as well as many

1075
00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:11,660
physicists do but I can't argue that I

1076
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:14,390
think those are very very valid points

1077
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:17,510
on why Bob Lazar may not be who he says

1078
00:47:24,010 --> 00:47:20,720
he is on the flip side though I do see a

1079
00:47:26,350 --> 00:47:24,020
lot of what he is saying coming true and

1080
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:26,360
the way he says that these craft

1081
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:29,030
maneuvered and how they worked back in

1082
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:32,510
the 80s we are seeing that mirrored in

1083
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:35,210
these videos that came out from a tip

1084
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,630
and from these Navy pilots exactly how

1085
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:40,640
they were maneuvering so I don't know

1086
00:47:46,030 --> 00:47:44,240
man it's blowing my mind and area 51 is

1087
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:46,040
all over the place now which I'm sure

1088
00:47:52,590 --> 00:47:48,710
we'll get to but when it comes to Bob

1089
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:52,600
Lazar I am he's an enigma he really is I

1090
00:48:00,460 --> 00:47:57,200
believe him when he says he did these

1091
00:48:02,770 --> 00:48:00,470
things but I am NOT ready to say that he

1092
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:02,780
worked on reverse engineered alien

1093
00:48:07,780 --> 00:48:05,450
technology I just can't that's gonna

1094
00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:07,790
where I stand on the whole thing um you

1095
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:10,430
know he he brought forth this element

1096
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:13,850
115 which we now know exists it's not a

1097
00:48:19,150 --> 00:48:16,370
stable element we can't test it but it

1098
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:19,160
now exists in our periodic table and he

1099
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:21,290
was saying this back in the eighties he

1100
00:48:27,010 --> 00:48:24,170
says that when he was going through

1101
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:27,020
security at area 51 that there were

1102
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:30,170
these really intricate hand scanners

1103
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:31,370
that you had to put your hand through

1104
00:48:38,260 --> 00:48:34,880
and then measure every bit of you know

1105
00:48:40,930 --> 00:48:38,270
your fingerprint to get in it seemed

1106
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:40,940
like crazy sci-fi at the time but we now

1107
00:48:44,650 --> 00:48:42,770
know that those things existed and

1108
00:48:47,980 --> 00:48:44,660
they're being used at a lot of the

1109
00:48:50,980 --> 00:48:47,990
top-secret military bases right now so I

1110
00:48:53,260 --> 00:48:50,990
know again it's just there's certain

1111
00:48:54,310 --> 00:48:53,270
things he says that I'm like whoa you

1112
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:54,320
were right and then there's certain

1113
00:49:00,250 --> 00:48:57,290
things where I'm like but you lied about

1114
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:00,260
where you went to school or this or that

1115
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:03,110
or yeah you were working that up brothel

1116
00:49:09,940 --> 00:49:06,620
at one point in Las Vegas so it's crazy

1117
00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:09,950
like his entire story is just it's

1118
00:49:14,650 --> 00:49:11,960
ripe with controversy and it would make

1119
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:14,660
such a good movie so you know Aaron

1120
00:49:20,940 --> 00:49:19,280
Sorkin get on that so this is all

1121
00:49:24,310 --> 00:49:20,950
kicking off because of corbels

1122
00:49:26,770 --> 00:49:24,320
documentary then like a resurging I

1123
00:49:30,730 --> 00:49:26,780
guess I should say when did he when did

1124
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:30,740
Lazar first come out with the stuff you

1125
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:32,960
said it was the 80s right yeah yeah I'm

1126
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:35,270
thinking early 80s I I don't have an

1127
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:38,960
exact date it's it's not like one of the

1128
00:49:44,650 --> 00:49:42,770
things I know a turn about but yeah

1129
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:44,660
we're talking like early eighties I

1130
00:49:49,770 --> 00:49:47,210
believe and was this did he come out

1131
00:49:52,450 --> 00:49:49,780
with a book at the time was he on some

1132
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:52,460
shows that that he was saying this how

1133
00:49:56,319 --> 00:49:54,650
did he break this to the world do you

1134
00:49:59,500 --> 00:49:56,329
remember yeah this is broken to the

1135
00:50:03,220 --> 00:49:59,510
world through an interview through I

1136
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:03,230
believe it was klas the new station in

1137
00:50:07,410 --> 00:50:05,210
Nevada that George Knapp the

1138
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:07,420
investigative journalist was working for

1139
00:50:14,020 --> 00:50:11,510
somehow he got connected to Lazar at the

1140
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:14,030
time and Lazar told him what he was

1141
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:16,250
doing where he had worked and that he

1142
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:19,310
was no longer employed there he was

1143
00:50:26,980 --> 00:50:22,880
fired he was let go for various reasons

1144
00:50:30,819 --> 00:50:26,990
but this was all broken through a simple

1145
00:50:33,220 --> 00:50:30,829
new segment and it went viral after that

1146
00:50:35,980 --> 00:50:33,230
I mean across the world people started

1147
00:50:39,250 --> 00:50:35,990
looking into this and everyone wanted to

1148
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:39,260
interview Lazar and this did not help

1149
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:41,089
Bob Lazar I can put it that way

1150
00:50:45,790 --> 00:50:44,210
he made no money after coming forward

1151
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:45,800
with us so there's another thing right

1152
00:50:51,069 --> 00:50:48,400
here like this wasn't about you know

1153
00:50:54,970 --> 00:50:51,079
concocting some cockamamie story to

1154
00:50:58,780 --> 00:50:54,980
become rich he lost his job he lost his

1155
00:51:01,450 --> 00:50:58,790
wife he you lost his credibility and a

1156
00:51:03,370 --> 00:51:01,460
lot of people think that they meant to

1157
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:03,380
do that that the government was trying

1158
00:51:09,730 --> 00:51:06,079
to discredit him and all these claims

1159
00:51:12,550 --> 00:51:09,740
that he was making so god it's so messy

1160
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:12,560
I don't we'll never clean it up well

1161
00:51:16,780 --> 00:51:15,050
never clear yeah I mean I mean unless he

1162
00:51:18,730 --> 00:51:16,790
were to come forward and say you know

1163
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,740
what I made it all up and right then

1164
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:20,480
then nobody be talking about him anymore

1165
00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:22,609
right 30 years later he's telling the

1166
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:23,369
same damn

1167
00:51:28,700 --> 00:51:26,249
dori man so for me I'm like okay either

1168
00:51:32,029 --> 00:51:28,710
this is him trying to you know just

1169
00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:32,039
become important or relevant again or he

1170
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:33,660
just wants to put it on the record once

1171
00:51:38,329 --> 00:51:36,180
and for all this is what I did this is

1172
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:38,339
what I saw I don't care what you think

1173
00:51:42,799 --> 00:51:41,130
take it for what it is I don't know I I

1174
00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:42,809
can't pretend to know the motives behind

1175
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:45,390
Bob Lazar and I don't think we ever will

1176
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:48,210
interesting Korbel a lot of people are

1177
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:51,450
it's just so much fighting man like I

1178
00:51:56,420 --> 00:51:54,390
don't know why people gets I mean I

1179
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:56,430
guess I know like like we said a lot of

1180
00:52:00,680 --> 00:51:58,410
people have opinions and are very

1181
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:00,690
passionate about this stuff so it

1182
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:03,359
affects them more than just listening to

1183
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:05,849
the stories and kind of ho-hum and about

1184
00:52:11,390 --> 00:52:09,240
it but so Korbel is he friends with

1185
00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:11,400
Lazarre now or are they kind of button

1186
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:13,619
heads did Korbel have an opinion on it

1187
00:52:17,269 --> 00:52:15,450
or you know something with his

1188
00:52:20,180 --> 00:52:17,279
documentary he was trying to prove or

1189
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:20,190
disprove yeah so I will I'll say on the

1190
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:23,160
record I am I am friends with Jeremy

1191
00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:25,049
Korbel so some of your listeners may

1192
00:52:30,019 --> 00:52:27,960
find what I say about him biased but I

1193
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:30,029
don't care

1194
00:52:35,509 --> 00:52:33,480
he is a passionate guy when it comes to

1195
00:52:37,489 --> 00:52:35,519
the UFO topic and he's extremely

1196
00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:37,499
passionate about the content he covers

1197
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,099
in his films now when he decided to to

1198
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:42,960
reach out to bob lazar to make this film

1199
00:52:47,269 --> 00:52:45,450
i know it was through george knapp the

1200
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,279
man who originally broke the story on

1201
00:52:52,819 --> 00:52:50,400
bob lazar and Korbel had worked with

1202
00:52:55,579 --> 00:52:52,829
george knapp on a previous film about

1203
00:52:57,319 --> 00:52:55,589
the skinwalker ranch who again another

1204
00:53:00,529 --> 00:52:57,329
story that george knapp sort of broke

1205
00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:00,539
about this weird ranch in utah where a

1206
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:02,430
bunch of paranormal stuff was going on

1207
00:53:07,460 --> 00:53:04,650
so I believe that's the connection there

1208
00:53:09,289 --> 00:53:07,470
that got Korbel to Lazar cuz no one

1209
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:09,299
could get to Lazar if it's like Fort

1210
00:53:14,779 --> 00:53:10,650
Knox trying to get this guy to talk

1211
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:14,789
about this ever again so as far as I

1212
00:53:18,769 --> 00:53:16,920
know Korbel wanted to set the record

1213
00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:18,779
straight once and for all on what Bob

1214
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:22,470
Lazar said and try to the best of his

1215
00:53:27,890 --> 00:53:24,059
abilities to tell the story as

1216
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:27,900
objectively as he could and in the film

1217
00:53:34,339 --> 00:53:30,180
I believe he did a good job of showing

1218
00:53:37,009 --> 00:53:34,349
both sides of of that debate I do think

1219
00:53:39,769 --> 00:53:37,019
Korbel believes Bob

1220
00:53:41,659 --> 00:53:39,779
and the story he has to tell so that's

1221
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:41,669
hard that's a little controversial when

1222
00:53:46,279 --> 00:53:44,249
you're trying to make a documentary but

1223
00:53:48,469 --> 00:53:46,289
you have these preconceived notions of

1224
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,479
this guy's telling the truth that being

1225
00:53:55,069 --> 00:53:51,359
said I know Korbel did his homework and

1226
00:53:57,319 --> 00:53:55,079
he did his research and he did push Bob

1227
00:53:59,120 --> 00:53:57,329
on a lot of things when it came to well

1228
00:54:03,199 --> 00:53:59,130
this is what the skeptics have to say

1229
00:54:05,389 --> 00:54:03,209
this that this that and you know I think

1230
00:54:07,279 --> 00:54:05,399
was our did a good job of defending a

1231
00:54:10,849 --> 00:54:07,289
lot of those things but at the end of

1232
00:54:14,659 --> 00:54:10,859
the day I think that film really opened

1233
00:54:16,130 --> 00:54:14,669
the eyes of many people now Joe Rogan

1234
00:54:19,009 --> 00:54:16,140
one of the biggest podcasters in the

1235
00:54:21,889 --> 00:54:19,019
world is like obsessed with this case it

1236
00:54:23,929 --> 00:54:21,899
is getting it out there again so I

1237
00:54:26,899 --> 00:54:23,939
cannot pretend to know the motives of

1238
00:54:28,819 --> 00:54:26,909
Bob Lazar or Jeremy Korbel or anyone

1239
00:54:32,529 --> 00:54:28,829
that covers this thing yeah I just know

1240
00:54:35,649 --> 00:54:32,539
that it's interesting it's weird and

1241
00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:35,659
again it's in just another sign that

1242
00:54:41,299 --> 00:54:39,630
people crave nostalgia you know so let's

1243
00:54:45,469 --> 00:54:41,309
bring the 80s back let's talk about

1244
00:54:49,779 --> 00:54:45,479
flying saucers and let's uh let's storm

1245
00:54:52,729 --> 00:54:49,789
area 51 oh man I mean talk about a

1246
00:54:55,549 --> 00:54:52,739
monster meme just out of control

1247
00:54:57,889 --> 00:54:55,559
insane so what do you think like you

1248
00:55:00,799 --> 00:54:57,899
think anybody's gonna show up you think

1249
00:55:03,469 --> 00:55:00,809
anybody's gonna die my first two

1250
00:55:06,049 --> 00:55:03,479
questions for you yes to the first

1251
00:55:11,059 --> 00:55:06,059
question and I hope not to the second

1252
00:55:14,899 --> 00:55:11,069
now this this is insane dude like it we

1253
00:55:17,539 --> 00:55:14,909
live in such interesting times when it

1254
00:55:20,479 --> 00:55:17,549
comes to the digital age and how it can

1255
00:55:25,009 --> 00:55:20,489
influence and impact things and the fact

1256
00:55:27,620 --> 00:55:25,019
that apparently on September 20th the

1257
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:27,630
public is going to storm area 51 I just

1258
00:55:33,409 --> 00:55:29,729
I don't know what weird alternate

1259
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:33,419
universe were in but it started as a

1260
00:55:38,389 --> 00:55:35,849
joke it was a complete joke yeah and now

1261
00:55:40,189 --> 00:55:38,399
it is turning into something way bigger

1262
00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:40,199
than it should be

1263
00:55:46,969 --> 00:55:43,859
and I do know there are people who will

1264
00:55:49,219 --> 00:55:46,979
show up to this even if it was a joke

1265
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:49,229
because that's what people do they want

1266
00:55:53,530 --> 00:55:51,170
something that they do they

1267
00:55:55,089 --> 00:55:53,540
see it on Facebook and they said cool I

1268
00:55:57,339 --> 00:55:55,099
want to be a part of that I want to get

1269
00:56:00,940 --> 00:55:57,349
a cool Instagram photo I want to do a

1270
00:56:03,220 --> 00:56:00,950
Facebook live from area 51 um I can tell

1271
00:56:06,460 --> 00:56:03,230
you from experience I was at the gate of

1272
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:06,470
area 51 almost a month ago it's nothing

1273
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:08,960
to mess with so if any of your listeners

1274
00:56:14,140 --> 00:56:11,359
plan on attending this store marry 51

1275
00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:14,150
all I can say is be careful yeah you

1276
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:16,630
step a foot over that security gate and

1277
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:19,520
they have a right to do whatever the

1278
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:20,240
hell they want

1279
00:56:25,690 --> 00:56:23,119
whether that's tell you to move back

1280
00:56:28,690 --> 00:56:25,700
whether that's confiscating your camera

1281
00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:28,700
or your phone or put you on the ground

1282
00:56:32,980 --> 00:56:30,980
face down and put the you know the

1283
00:56:34,660 --> 00:56:32,990
barrel of a gun to your head I know for

1284
00:56:36,370 --> 00:56:34,670
a fact that that has happened a week

1285
00:56:38,740 --> 00:56:36,380
before I got there man someone got shot

1286
00:56:42,210 --> 00:56:38,750
dead from breaching the security and

1287
00:56:44,349 --> 00:56:42,220
that is documented and that is real so

1288
00:56:48,010 --> 00:56:44,359
it's nothing to mess with

1289
00:56:50,859 --> 00:56:48,020
they monitor you at least what I can

1290
00:56:53,620 --> 00:56:50,869
gather from it five miles outside of

1291
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:53,630
just the security gate they have ways of

1292
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:57,770
monitoring your phones your radio any

1293
00:57:00,880 --> 00:56:59,599
sort of communication you have they are

1294
00:57:04,510 --> 00:57:00,890
listening to you

1295
00:57:06,670 --> 00:57:04,520
yeah I have proof of that which which I

1296
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:06,680
can't share right now unfortunately but

1297
00:57:11,049 --> 00:57:09,770
they they do not mess around and the

1298
00:57:13,660 --> 00:57:11,059
other thing these people have to keep in

1299
00:57:18,849 --> 00:57:13,670
mind if they plan on storming area 51

1300
00:57:21,010 --> 00:57:18,859
the actual base is dozens and dozens of

1301
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:21,020
miles from that security gate yeah so

1302
00:57:25,450 --> 00:57:23,690
you aren't gonna see it's been

1303
00:57:29,140 --> 00:57:25,460
pardon my french you're not gonna see

1304
00:57:31,329 --> 00:57:29,150
anything so just be careful if you plan

1305
00:57:35,530 --> 00:57:31,339
on going out there bringing a lot of

1306
00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:35,540
water because there is nothing within 70

1307
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:38,900
miles of that security gate and don't

1308
00:57:44,049 --> 00:57:40,970
get lost because it's very easy to do

1309
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:44,059
and it's very easy to drive past the

1310
00:57:52,059 --> 00:57:48,910
security gates so be very very careful

1311
00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:52,069
that's all I can say I'll say this just

1312
00:57:56,410 --> 00:57:54,230
don't just don't I'll get to this in a

1313
00:57:59,140 --> 00:57:56,420
second but so I was just out there last

1314
00:58:01,299 --> 00:57:59,150
year myself and like it's fun to visit

1315
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:01,309
the little alien and stuff and get

1316
00:58:04,750 --> 00:58:03,290
yourself a burger all that what I don't

1317
00:58:05,019 --> 00:58:04,760
think a lot of people realize is just

1318
00:58:08,499 --> 00:58:05,029
what

1319
00:58:11,769 --> 00:58:08,509
you said the base itself is miles from

1320
00:58:14,649 --> 00:58:11,779
the checkpoint which itself is like 8 8

1321
00:58:18,189 --> 00:58:14,659
to 12 miles from the roads Akal so like

1322
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:18,199
what are all you tinfoil hat wearing

1323
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:23,359
meme lovin guys got a Naruto run like 20

1324
00:58:30,489 --> 00:58:25,849
to 50 miles to get to this thing no

1325
00:58:32,169 --> 00:58:30,499
you're not like it's a it's obviously

1326
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:32,179
it's it's a joke that's gone out of

1327
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:34,249
control some people probably don't see

1328
00:58:39,339 --> 00:58:35,569
it as a joke some people are probably

1329
00:58:41,319 --> 00:58:39,349
very fired up for this hopefully there's

1330
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:41,329
not enough of them to where they can

1331
00:58:46,479 --> 00:58:43,729
kind of get a mob mentality going and

1332
00:58:48,699 --> 00:58:46,489
actually try something like this that

1333
00:58:50,649 --> 00:58:48,709
being said I agree with you I think

1334
00:58:55,089 --> 00:58:50,659
there's I think people are gonna show up

1335
00:58:59,169 --> 00:58:55,099
I know that a couple of entrepreneurs

1336
00:59:00,849 --> 00:58:59,179
out there have already made plans to set

1337
00:59:04,899 --> 00:59:00,859
this up kind of as like a festival

1338
00:59:09,219 --> 00:59:04,909
answer yeah which is you know yeh

1339
00:59:10,509 --> 00:59:09,229
capitalism go for it like like if you

1340
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:10,519
want to if you want to turn this into

1341
00:59:16,269 --> 00:59:13,369
something like a festival I'm all for

1342
00:59:19,630 --> 00:59:16,279
that and I actually think if everything

1343
00:59:22,659 --> 00:59:19,640
goes ok and people aren't as stupid as

1344
00:59:24,429 --> 00:59:22,669
we are worried they might be if nobody

1345
00:59:27,459 --> 00:59:24,439
gets killed this thing could turn into a

1346
00:59:29,319 --> 00:59:27,469
very fun yearly festival that they you

1347
00:59:32,649 --> 00:59:29,329
know could be a great thing for not only

1348
00:59:35,439 --> 00:59:32,659
Rachel you know Nevada but also just fun

1349
00:59:38,229 --> 00:59:35,449
for people to go to have something to do

1350
00:59:40,209 --> 00:59:38,239
out there at one of the you know

1351
00:59:42,939 --> 00:59:40,219
premiere spots that everybody knows

1352
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:42,949
about in ufology in in this sort of

1353
00:59:47,979 --> 00:59:45,890
stuff so as long as people can just go

1354
00:59:52,449 --> 00:59:47,989
out there and try and have a good time

1355
00:59:55,809 --> 00:59:52,459
it might be a good thing in the end so

1356
00:59:58,749 --> 00:59:55,819
and like you said make sure there's not

1357
01:00:00,819 --> 00:59:58,759
a gas station for you know 60 70 miles

1358
01:00:02,979 --> 01:00:00,829
like you said something crazy like that

1359
01:00:05,919 --> 01:00:02,989
you need to make sure you have enough

1360
01:00:10,059 --> 01:00:05,929
gas to get back dude I was swearing I am

1361
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:10,069
we got lost and I'm talking like an hour

1362
01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:12,890
out of the way so we had to drive all

1363
01:00:17,630 --> 01:00:14,809
the way back to Rachel to get directions

1364
01:00:19,460 --> 01:00:17,640
and I was nervous like

1365
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:19,470
we're gonna be stranded in the middle of

1366
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:22,410
the Extra Terrestrial highway and I

1367
01:00:27,529 --> 01:00:24,210
don't know well worse at the clown motel

1368
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:27,539
in Tonopah exactly exactly

1369
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,130
you make such a good point though man

1370
01:00:34,250 --> 01:00:31,440
like this it's gonna be a festival

1371
01:00:37,370 --> 01:00:34,260
atmosphere at this point I'm all for

1372
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,380
like town of Rachel or anyone going out

1373
01:00:41,809 --> 01:00:39,599
there to capitalize off of this yeah if

1374
01:00:44,269 --> 01:00:41,819
a social networking phenomenon becomes

1375
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,279
something real like do what you got to

1376
01:00:49,309 --> 01:00:46,799
do you know people struggle you know the

1377
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:49,319
economy isn't the best and if you need a

1378
01:00:53,870 --> 01:00:52,049
way to make some money like go take

1379
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:53,880
advantage of these people who are gonna

1380
01:00:59,630 --> 01:00:57,119
do this because it's very easy to take

1381
01:01:01,160 --> 01:00:59,640
advantage of stupid people and I think

1382
01:01:04,339 --> 01:01:01,170
that's the kind of people that are gonna

1383
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,349
show up for this thing and like you said

1384
01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:06,960
just don't don't go focus your energy on

1385
01:01:12,019 --> 01:01:09,720
something important the reason area 51

1386
01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:12,029
is secret is because it is a national

1387
01:01:17,210 --> 01:01:15,390
security issue they are testing things

1388
01:01:20,089 --> 01:01:17,220
out there that keep us safe

1389
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:20,099
and I'm not like some pro rawa military

1390
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:22,650
person but I understand that there are

1391
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:24,809
things the public doesn't need to know

1392
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,569
about in terms of keeping us safe I can

1393
01:01:31,970 --> 01:01:29,359
fully admit that so when it comes to

1394
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:31,980
breaking into a top-secret military base

1395
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:34,650
it's cool on the x-files but I don't

1396
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:37,170
think people should think that by doing

1397
01:01:42,980 --> 01:01:40,380
the Naruto run and dodging bullets to

1398
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:42,990
try to find aliens first of all if there

1399
01:01:47,539 --> 01:01:45,420
was ever a lien stuff there if Bob Lazar

1400
01:01:49,759 --> 01:01:47,549
was telling the truth at all they moved

1401
01:01:52,999 --> 01:01:49,769
that the minute we knew what area

1402
01:01:54,859 --> 01:01:53,009
51 was right a Tonopah or done and they

1403
01:01:57,380 --> 01:01:54,869
moved it twice when people started

1404
01:02:00,259 --> 01:01:57,390
talking about storming it two months in

1405
01:02:02,450 --> 01:02:00,269
advance in advance that's another thing

1406
01:02:04,009 --> 01:02:02,460
here's a tip don't give the government

1407
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:04,019
two months advance warning that you're

1408
01:02:09,289 --> 01:02:07,380
going to storm them when it comes to

1409
01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:09,299
area 51 you have to have an element of

1410
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:11,099
surprise - there's people who go there

1411
01:02:17,269 --> 01:02:14,400
in the dead of night and are very good

1412
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:17,279
and elusive of staying in areas where

1413
01:02:22,220 --> 01:02:19,529
they can see activity going on over the

1414
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:22,230
base but I guarantee you they still know

1415
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:24,000
you're there and they might be putting a

1416
01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:26,250
show on just for you who knows yeah I

1417
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:28,740
think there is gonna be a weird mix of

1418
01:02:33,350 --> 01:02:31,530
people that go to this people that

1419
01:02:35,060 --> 01:02:33,360
are serious about it people that are

1420
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,070
there just to watch people and see what

1421
01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:37,440
happens and then people that are kind of

1422
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:40,350
a kind of a mix and I I think there will

1423
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,420
be stupid people sure I think there will

1424
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:44,880
be some people who are just there for

1425
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:47,760
kicks and have a weekend or whatever to

1426
01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:50,130
spin to go and just see what happens

1427
01:02:54,710 --> 01:02:52,110
because you also got a got to keep in

1428
01:02:57,380 --> 01:02:54,720
mind like this isn't the easiest place

1429
01:02:59,720 --> 01:02:57,390
to get to so how many people are gonna

1430
01:03:02,240 --> 01:02:59,730
be coming from the Vegas area or you

1431
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:02,250
know somewhere close by there how many

1432
01:03:08,420 --> 01:03:05,090
like it the number even gets less when

1433
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:08,430
you consider people that might try to

1434
01:03:13,220 --> 01:03:11,040
fly there or drive from out of town or

1435
01:03:15,590 --> 01:03:13,230
something as a it's a it's a trip it is

1436
01:03:19,180 --> 01:03:15,600
a trip to make so I hope you know

1437
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:19,190
everybody who goes there just realizes I

1438
01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:24,090
I don't see anybody that would be like

1439
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:26,220
yes let's go through with this storming

1440
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:30,150
you knowing that the thing is like 20 25

1441
01:03:37,550 --> 01:03:34,370
to 30 miles away yeah you know like

1442
01:03:40,130 --> 01:03:37,560
they're gonna be very very letdown when

1443
01:03:41,780 --> 01:03:40,140
they get there it's cool to say you went

1444
01:03:43,190 --> 01:03:41,790
there it's cool to be like I said get

1445
01:03:45,230 --> 01:03:43,200
that photo in front of the gate and

1446
01:03:47,300 --> 01:03:45,240
everything that's what it's about

1447
01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:47,310
if you think that's worth going there do

1448
01:03:50,930 --> 01:03:48,630
it if you think it's worth going there

1449
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:50,940
to people-watch like that's awesome I

1450
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:53,450
went to a Phish concert with my dad like

1451
01:03:58,610 --> 01:03:56,970
18 years ago probably and I he didn't

1452
01:04:01,250 --> 01:03:58,620
even go and watch any of the music he

1453
01:04:03,530 --> 01:04:01,260
just people watched and that could be a

1454
01:04:06,140 --> 01:04:03,540
really fun thing for these people to so

1455
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,150
I I should retract my statement bet

1456
01:04:10,070 --> 01:04:08,640
anyone who goes is stupid no people

1457
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:10,080
might just be going that's very

1458
01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:12,090
condescending I apologize people might

1459
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:13,830
just go to have a good time like you

1460
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:15,450
said if they're gonna have bands there

1461
01:04:21,350 --> 01:04:18,480
and cookouts and and a dance parties

1462
01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:21,360
like that's great just know that if you

1463
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:23,310
step foot over that gate it's gonna be a

1464
01:04:26,740 --> 01:04:25,410
whole different kind of party and why do

1465
01:04:31,070 --> 01:04:26,750
I want to be invited

1466
01:04:33,430 --> 01:04:31,080
exactly yeah I I hope people do make

1467
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:33,440
this kind of a thing make this kind of a

1468
01:04:39,860 --> 01:04:36,930
festival exciting atmosphere because it

1469
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:39,870
rachel is it's got the a the little

1470
01:04:45,059 --> 01:04:42,910
alien and then a bunch of trailers

1471
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,069
there's there's really not a lot there

1472
01:04:49,019 --> 01:04:47,200
and hopefully you know if this becomes a

1473
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:49,029
thing then they could they could build

1474
01:04:55,559 --> 01:04:52,930
that little area it's things like this

1475
01:04:58,259 --> 01:04:55,569
these social phenomenons that happen are

1476
01:05:01,650 --> 01:04:58,269
these histories that can completely

1477
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:01,660
impact and change a community or a city

1478
01:05:06,269 --> 01:05:03,730
I mean look at Roswell Roswell nothing's

1479
01:05:07,950 --> 01:05:06,279
going on there either and I apologize

1480
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:07,960
anyone that may live there but yeah it's

1481
01:05:13,859 --> 01:05:10,089
like one Main Street and that's it and

1482
01:05:16,620 --> 01:05:13,869
that Main Street is covered with alien

1483
01:05:19,140 --> 01:05:16,630
stuff the McDonald's is a UFO every

1484
01:05:21,269 --> 01:05:19,150
street lamp is an alien they embraced it

1485
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:21,279
and now their town is flourishing they

1486
01:05:26,099 --> 01:05:23,710
have the biggest UFO festival every year

1487
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:26,109
that attracts people from all over the

1488
01:05:30,930 --> 01:05:28,569
world so let me know if Rachel could do

1489
01:05:34,049 --> 01:05:30,940
that and become something that's awesome

1490
01:05:36,329 --> 01:05:34,059
like do it I will throw my money at them

1491
01:05:39,660 --> 01:05:36,339
if they're gonna build some sort of

1492
01:05:41,609 --> 01:05:39,670
really cool UFO Museum there or

1493
01:05:44,009 --> 01:05:41,619
something yeah like let's do it

1494
01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:44,019
same with Mothman and Point Pleasant or

1495
01:05:49,859 --> 01:05:47,470
that monster it's it's cool that like

1496
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:49,869
these weird things we look at every day

1497
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:52,089
can directly impact the communities that

1498
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:54,250
they happened in I think that's good and

1499
01:05:57,569 --> 01:05:55,930
like we said in America we can

1500
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:57,579
capitalize off of those things and

1501
01:06:01,230 --> 01:06:00,640
people do so if you're gonna go to area

1502
01:06:03,329 --> 01:06:01,240
51

1503
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:03,339
just be careful have a good time and

1504
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:06,910
yeah and toe toe what's his name tell

1505
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:09,599
Nathan I said hi at the little alien

1506
01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:12,609
there's it and also I'll add to that

1507
01:06:18,839 --> 01:06:15,369
this sign for the extra-terrestrial

1508
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:18,849
highway that is right outside of Rachel

1509
01:06:24,539 --> 01:06:22,210
or like right there probably 200 yards

1510
01:06:26,970 --> 01:06:24,549
from the little alien the sign that's

1511
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:26,980
there take a picture next to the blurry

1512
01:06:33,210 --> 01:06:29,730
photo sticker that's on that sign I

1513
01:06:35,299 --> 01:06:33,220
didn't even think to do that see this is

1514
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,309
why you're a professional podcaster

1515
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:37,599
you're always thinking of marketing

1516
01:06:48,180 --> 01:06:41,920
somehow that's right vandalism number

1517
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:48,190
one yes yes oh man well I think that I

1518
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:49,930
think that'll be a good point for us to

1519
01:06:53,460 --> 01:06:52,000
wrap up I appreciate you coming on here

1520
01:06:55,660 --> 01:06:53,470
and telling us all about this stuff it's

1521
01:06:57,700 --> 01:06:55,670
fascinating to talk about it's some

1522
01:06:59,799 --> 01:06:57,710
things that just because it's in the

1523
01:07:01,630 --> 01:06:59,809
news right now doesn't mean the

1524
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,640
conversations gonna stop it's gonna

1525
01:07:05,020 --> 01:07:03,680
change you know on down the line it's

1526
01:07:07,450 --> 01:07:05,030
gonna be something new and it's always

1527
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:07,460
gonna be something fascinating to talk

1528
01:07:13,059 --> 01:07:10,490
about and I hope when that does change

1529
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:13,069
or even if it doesn't that you'd be

1530
01:07:16,510 --> 01:07:14,750
willing to come back sometime and talk

1531
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:16,520
with us some more about stuff right oh

1532
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:18,559
absolutely this has been a blast man I

1533
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:20,720
really really thank you for having me on

1534
01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:22,640
like I said I'm a huge fan so

1535
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:24,710
everything's coming full circle for me

1536
01:07:29,410 --> 01:07:26,930
and same goes for you I hope I can get

1537
01:07:30,609 --> 01:07:29,420
you on my show soon as well it would be

1538
01:07:32,140 --> 01:07:30,619
my pleasure and it was my pleasure to

1539
01:07:34,839 --> 01:07:32,150
have you today I really appreciate it

1540
01:07:37,329 --> 01:07:34,849
know how busy you are you are super busy

1541
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:37,339
with this stuff and it's inspiring so

1542
01:07:40,930 --> 01:07:39,290
thank you again for taking the time Ryan

1543
01:07:43,450 --> 01:07:40,940
appreciate it thank you so why don't you

1544
01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:43,460
tell us before I let you go why don't

1545
01:07:46,780 --> 01:07:44,960
you tell us where we can find all your

1546
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:46,790
stuff where to you know get your book

1547
01:07:51,730 --> 01:07:49,369
all that good stuff oh sure yeah the

1548
01:07:54,579 --> 01:07:51,740
book somewhere in the skies is available

1549
01:07:57,490 --> 01:07:54,589
on Amazon print ebook whatever you want

1550
01:07:59,740 --> 01:07:57,500
it's on there I do a weekly podcast of

1551
01:08:02,319 --> 01:07:59,750
the same name somewhere in the skies and

1552
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:02,329
it's wherever you get your podcasts or

1553
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:04,400
you can go directly to my website where

1554
01:08:09,309 --> 01:08:07,520
I do articles and and post all my

1555
01:08:12,010 --> 01:08:09,319
thoughts and opinions on the crazy stuff

1556
01:08:14,109 --> 01:08:12,020
you heard about in this interview or you

1557
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:14,119
can stream the the podcast directly

1558
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:15,440
through there that's somewhere in the

1559
01:08:20,169 --> 01:08:18,080
skies calm great and you guys can tell

1560
01:08:22,269 --> 01:08:20,179
how down-to-earth Ryan is and he's he's

1561
01:08:24,519 --> 01:08:22,279
very knowledgeable very easy to talk to

1562
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,529
it's great stuff I highly recommend you

1563
01:08:28,209 --> 01:08:26,480
guys go check this stuff out so thanks

1564
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:28,219
again Ryan I really appreciate it thank

1565
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:31,730
you huge things once again to Ryan I

1566
01:08:35,169 --> 01:08:33,440
really appreciate him taking the time to

1567
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:35,179
talk with us and I hope you guys take

1568
01:08:39,070 --> 01:08:36,770
the time to check out his stuff he's got

1569
01:08:41,050 --> 01:08:39,080
a lot of great things out there and if

1570
01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:41,060
you do just let him know that blurry

1571
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:43,190
photos sent you you guys know the drill

1572
01:08:47,950 --> 01:08:45,770
like the Facebook page follow on Twitter

1573
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:47,960
blurry underscore photos I'm on

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01:08:52,660 --> 01:08:50,480
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1575
01:08:54,669 --> 01:08:52,670
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1576
01:08:56,410 --> 01:08:54,679
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1577
01:08:58,030 --> 01:08:56,420
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1578
01:09:01,300 --> 01:08:58,040
train at chugging along

1579
01:09:05,229 --> 01:09:01,310
check out coffee calm slash blurry

1580
01:09:07,870 --> 01:09:05,239
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1581
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:07,880
few bucks my way for coffee or knows I

1582
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:09,890
need it

1583
01:09:14,260 --> 01:09:12,170
once again I'll be back next episode

1584
01:09:15,850 --> 01:09:14,270
with a big topic I'm excited about have

1585
01:09:17,380 --> 01:09:15,860
been working hard on and I think you

1586
01:09:19,480 --> 01:09:17,390
guys are gonna enjoy and there's gonna

1587
01:09:22,300 --> 01:09:19,490
be a ton of stuff coming out in August

1588
01:09:23,830 --> 01:09:22,310
just the way it's all shaking out so

1589
01:09:26,650 --> 01:09:23,840
hope you guys are sticking with me and

1590
01:09:29,410 --> 01:09:26,660
thank you so much for listening for this

1591
01:09:33,830 --> 01:09:29,420
episode of blurry photos I have been

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David UF flora til next time